To Mike Singer:
I followed the tips you posted and I did get no solution. With original windows tooltips is no problem, but with skinned WW tooltip.
I agree with Edp. This problem needs solution on side of WW or on side of windows. I suppose that easily can do that on side of WW.
The Weather Watcher skinned tooltip is actually a standard Windows window. In the picture I circled above, Winamp is also hiding behind the Windows taskbar. Keeping that in mind, why do you think Weather Watcher is causing the problem?
Since Weather Watcher does display the tooltip window ontop sometimes, something else must be happening at the time when the tooltip is not displaying properly. Weather Watcher always runs the same program code, so the problem probably isn’t the code itself. It seems something else on your system and/or Windows is causing the problem.
That’s not a fair assumption. I won’t assume though… instead, let’s try a test.
First, I installed IE 7. I noticed the same behavior as skodnaa when using Weather Watcher after installing IE 7.
Next, I started up Winamp (see the screenshot below).
http://www.SingersCreations.com/Images/Winamp01.jpg
Then, I minimized Winamp to the Windows taskbar and clicked Winamp in the Windows taskbar to display the Winamp interface again (see the screenshot below).
http://www.SingersCreations.com/Images/Winamp02.jpg
Interesting… Winamp does the same thing as Weather Watcher. EdP, do you think Weather Watcher broke Winamp too? :-s
Nobody is saying that but since you did let’s look at it from your point of view.
Do you think Winamp is the cause of the problem? Do you think Winamp will sit around and wait for MS to release a fix to their program? Do you think MS is aware of the Winamp and WW problems and feverishly working on a fix for them? tinySpell 1.3 did not work once IE 7 was installed but their new 1.4 version works with it. Should WW follow Winamp’s example (assumes Winamp is aware of the problem) and wait for MS to fix the problem or emulate tinySpell and come up with it’s own solution? If you contact tinySpell’s developers maybe they will help you fix WW, the two apps don’t compete against one another.
Then of course the question is why would you regard the Winamp application window to be the same as the WW tooltip window rather than the WW forecast window. I think most people here regard them as different.
That is not an assumption, that is a statement of fact. The two do not play well together at this point. For me to continue to enjoy WW I will have to restore my hd back to IE 6.
No, but I think Winamp will fix their problem before you fix WW. :razz:
The question now is will you keep IE 7 installed or will you revert back to IE 6. :icon_smile:
Sure, but most people aren’t programmers 
As I pointed out above, the Weather Watcher skinned tooltip window is a normal Windows window… just like the Winamp window.
I think the fact is that Weather Watcher and Windows don’t play well together after installing IE 7. The Weather Watcher skinned tooltip window does not use IE 7 in any way, so I am not understanding where you are seeing the connection.
Great. I am glad we are in agreeance that Microsoft is the cause.
The question remains, who is the solution? Should we write to Bill and tell him to change IE so WW works without being updated? Do you think that request will go to the top of his list of things to do? Do you think we should hold our breathes waiting for MS’s patch?
I found one app that required a change to work in the new IE 7 environment, I’ll look for more for you.
IE 7 has impacted Windows handling of windows. I don’t think it was by accident. It has even changed the system’s Taskbar. (Have you noticed the new Language Toolbar? Have you tried to get rid of it? Have you rebooted after disabling the Language Toolbar? 
) You might want to check up on new windows api codes and defaults as a result of IE 7.
Three tooltips that do not get buried behind an IE 7 window;
Dell’s Wireless LAN Card Utility’s tooltip
Weather Pulse’s plain tooltip (which gave me the idea to try the next one)
Weather Watcher’s non-skinned tray tooltip.
So apparently “the Weather Watcher skinned tooltip window is a normal Windows window…” is the problem. It needs to be made a bit non-normal like the non-skinned ones. :icon_smile:
In the interim can you make the non-skinned tooltip look a little better? Everything seems squished to the left. Or provide a means for the client to customized it’s appearance?
Speaking of customizing… you should give this work-around a try:
http://www.singerscreations.com/Forum/v … php?t=1462
That option is not available for the non-skinned tooltip and does not prevent the skinned tooltip from appearing behind IE 7 windows so I fail to see it’s relevance.
The customization I was hoping for was how to make the current WW tooltip format: Pittsburg, PA
Condition: Sunny
Temp: 57F
Feels: 57F
Today's High: 61F
Today's Low: 45F
Observed: 12:45 PM
look more like Pittsburg, PA
Condition: .Sunny
Temp: ......57F
Feels: .....57F
Today's Hi: 61F
Today's Lo: 45F
Observed: ..12:45pm
since this is the only type of tooltip that works with IE7.
Granted the unskinned format has a character limitation. But it works consistently and that is the goal, right. :icon_smile:
That’s a new one… I thought the issue was the taskbar :???:
Not so new.
You’re not reading what we (I?) write.
The issue is the WW skinned Tooltip does not always pop up on top of other windows when IE 7 is installed, like it use to. It is behind the Taskbar and/or behind open IE 7 windows.
And at times the WW forecast window overlays the Taskbar, which it did not do before IE 7 was installed.
When I get back on my nb I will try to send you a picture.
IE 7 has changed the rules of the game for Windows’ windows.
I guess we just got a little OT. It seemed like we were talking about the taskbar… then, we jumped onto the issue of the IE windows.
The topic is Tray Tooltip and the initial posting says “I think the problem is in IE7”. All info has been centered on these aspects.
To summarize for you;
IE 7 has a negative impact on WW’s skinned Tooltip.
In some cases;
The tooltip is in back of the system’s Taskbar.
The tooltip is in back of the focused IE 7.
Both the above at the same time.
The WW firecast window overlays the system’s Taskbar.
But not always. The inconsistency implies a memory problem.
If you have IE 7 installed you should be able to see what we are seeing. My base system is Win XP SP2 Home fully updated.
Problem still occurs.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/184/wwandie7bzc4.png
And this
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4070/wwandie7qh5.png
Sometimes when the WW forecast window has focus it is not possible to bring the IE 7 window to the front without closing the WW window.
So Mike, what is your experience with IE 7 & WW now that you’ve installed IE 7? Are you having problems also?
My windows are displaying okay… I have only tested the new build for a few hours though.
Are you able to get the window to display behind the IE window by following a set of steps?
- Install 14d
- Install IE 7
- reboot
- wait for wifi to acquire an address.
- manually retrieve WW weather data
… a. WW does not acknowledge wifi initial connection
… b. WW Tooltip displays ok - Start IE 7
- With an IE 7 setup window open move mouse pointer to WW tray icon.
hth
EdP, I tried your instructions above… no luck reproducing that problem though. My skinned tooltip window never appears behind IE 7.
skodnaa, do you have any feedback on the new build?
That’s too bad. Tough to debug a problem you can’t see. :sad: Ya can’t win them all.
Did you have the WW Forecast window open? I didn’t make it clear but it wasn’t open with my scenario.
The nb I test with has nothing on it other than Windows. No Office or other major apps. Basic surfering apps, Java, Adobe Reader, Flash.
Maybe the problem is limited to just Win XP Home / IE 7 systems. Some field that WW uses that is uninitialized in XP Home but properly set in XP Pro.
Oh well when IE 7 gets to be more prevalent and the problem spreads just tell people to not use the WW Skinned tooltip. It will be ugly but at least it works with IE 7. :icon_smile: