Hi Mike!
Is it possible to have some way to rotate the moon phases icons 180deg for southern hemisphere users?
Kind Regards
Charles [:D]
Those images are from weather.com (http://image.weather.com/web/common/moonicons/52/xx.gif). And while certain things do change based on one’s location on the earth, I’m not sure the view of the moon is one of them. Refer to the following links:
[http://www.explorelearning.com/index.cf ... urceID=370](http://www.explorelearning.com/index.cfm?method=cResource.dspView&ResourceID=370)
http://www.lifelineaquarium.com/TankMas … n_Moon.htm
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Hi EdP - thnx for your reply, however I beg to differ. The moon does look different when viewed from the southern hemisphere compared to the northern hemisphere. Pls have a look at this website:
http://www.wonderquest.com/moon-down-under.htm
Perhaps the images at weather.com are northern hemisphere-centric and cannot be changed. What I’m wondering is whether they can be “flipped” 180deg in WW?
Regards
Charles
Well drawdeselrahc that webpage does have an interesting point of view. [:)] And there are other sites that agree with it but there are others that seem to disagree with it.
quote:http://www.phy6.org/stargaze/Smoon.htm
All agree, however, that the moon does not change, that it always presents the same face to Earth.
Basically your webpage implies that if I tilt my head to the right when looking at the moon my view is different than when I tilt my head to the left to look at it. And while it goes without saying that the people in the southern hemisphere have a different tilt than the people in the northern hemisphere I don’t think it’s different by 180 degrees unless one goes completely to the opposite poles.
It’s possible for WW to select a different weather.com moon image than what weather.com is presenting, to accommodate a 180 degree shift as you requested would mean adding 14.75 (half a cycle) to the weather.com image to select a reverse image. Unfortunately that also causes a full moon to be shown when a new moon is in the sky. So that’s not a good method.
To physically rotate the weather.com image would require the revised image be stored someplace that the html code could access. A remote website would be possible but slow as would be writing the revised image to your hard drive.
Putting a book under the right side of your monitor and tilting your head to the right when looking at the moon images is probably the easiest solution to the problem. [:D]
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drawdeselrahc, I don’t know of any way to rotate an image without using another image that has been rotated using a program like Adobe Photoshop.
I’m not sure if you’d be able to use this, but figured that I’d rather post an answer to the problem in the post than worry about incompatability.
So, the rotation looks possible in the CSS filter described in this MSDN link
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/auth … tation.asp
But, somehow it seems a little much to me, so another way of doing it -I think- would be just flipping the pictures along the horizontal axis, using by using the FlipH CSS filter;
I know these transformations might be IE only, but figured that since WW uses an IE control and the transformation doesn’t harm the image if it’s not supported in the browser, it wouldn’t be a real problem.
Well, anyways, just a thought off of the top of my head, but hey, it might do the trick.
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[i]Originally posted by EdP[/i]And while it goes without saying that the people in the southern hemisphere have a different tilt than the people in the northern hemisphere I don’t think it’s different by 180 degrees unless one goes completely to the opposite poles.
It’s possible for WW to select a different weather.com moon image than what weather.com is presenting, to accommodate a 180 degree shift as you requested would mean adding 14.75 (half a cycle) to the weather.com image to select a reverse image. Unfortunately that also causes a full moon to be shown when a new moon is in the sky. So that’s not a good method.
Reply - Yep! That’s right - the phases that are “flipped” DON’T include full moon and new moon, just the phases “in between”. The process that makes most sense to me is that the moon phases in the northern hemisphere can be seen as DOC (D representing a waxing moon, O representing full and C representing a waning moon) while in the southern hemisphere this is reversed ie, COD… The full moon looks full but the image is “flipped” 180deg when I look at it from “down under”. There is a good description of this at the Wikipedia website:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase
Putting a book under the right side of your monitor and tilting your head to the right when looking at the moon images is probably the easiest solution to the problem. [:D]
Reply: Hey, tried this out but just got a massive neck-ache after a few minutes! Guess I’ll just stick to crossing my eyes… [:D]
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Thnks Fl?gger - looks ideal for this query… Maybe it can be implemented in WW via a tab in the Options Menu?
Cheers,
Charles
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[i]Originally posted by Fl?gger[/i]
I'm not sure if you'd be able to use this, but figured that I'd rather post an answer to the problem in the post than worry about incompatability.So, the rotation looks possible in the CSS filter described in this MSDN link
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/auth … tation.aspBut, somehow it seems a little much to me, so another way of doing it -I think- would be just flipping the pictures along the horizontal axis, using by using the FlipH CSS filter;
I know these transformations might be IE only, but figured that since WW uses an IE control and the transformation doesn’t harm the image if it’s not supported in the browser, it wouldn’t be a real problem.
Well, anyways, just a thought off of the top of my head, but hey, it might do the trick.
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Hehe, thanx, but i’m not sure what in the world i was talking about with the flipping of the images, seems clear to me [after sleeping?] that they should be flipped on the vertical axis - which simply would be done using the FlipV filter instead of FlipH;
Sorry for the stupidity :oops: but hey, everyone can lack sleep sometimes :razz:
Fl?gger,
So Splendid’s current.wtp’s line 835 would change from:
<IMG SRC="[DAILY MOON ICON]" WIDTH="38" HEIGHT="38"><BR>to:
<IMG SRC="[DAILY MOON ICON]" style="Filter: FlipV" WIDTH="38" HEIGHT="38"><BR>or for a better view to even:
<IMG SRC="[DAILY MOON ICON]" style="Filter: FlipV"><BR>Really!! No, changes to Style.css needed?
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Whoa, I really gotta check up on the facts before posting the next time - my first post was right, FlipH is the correct to use…!
And to you Ed; yes, editing the line does the trick - nothing else [except viewing in IE] needed. So the fix will be changing
<IMG SRC="[DAILY MOON ICON]" WIDTH="38" HEIGHT="38"><BR>to
<IMG SRC="[DAILY MOON ICON]" STYLE="filter: FlipH;" WIDTH="38" HEIGHT="38"><BR>and as far as i can see, this gives you the desired effect.
[:D] No, I think you were correct before, style=“Filter: FlipV”.
If you flip a C horizontally it still looks like a C. I think what drawdeselrahc is seeing is our ( looks like ) to him. Thus the FlipV flip is what he wants.
hmmm what if we are both right and he wants BOTH!!! [:D]
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Hehe, yeah, I know, and that’s why I thought I was wrong in the first post, but I looked in to it, and for some reason FlipV flips along the horizontal axis and vice versa, so a FlipH will be the right one - the one to “DOC into COD”…
If you don’t believe me, try it out on your own wtp…
Otherwise, here’s a gallery of some CSS filters http://www.fred.net/dhark/demos/css/css … mples.html
This link provides some definite insite also.
http://www.jegsworks.com/demos/DemoDHTM … r-flip.htm
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Yeah, that’s a nice demo, especially for this particular task, which brings me to the point you stated a bit earlier; we ARE both right, since mirroring in both axis is the equivalent of rotating 180 degrees, and that’s what we wanted in the first place…
Think that wraps it up - for now anyways?
Update:
I implemented this in my new skin, so yeah, it was possible:
http://www.singerscreations.com/Forum/v … php?t=1200
Hi Fl?gger!
Your new skin looks great, however the rotation of the icons needs to be in one direction only ie, along the north/south axis which means that “east” becomes “west” and “west” becomes “east”. That is how we see the moon in the southern hemisphere. I have attached a web address of the moon taken from New Zealand which shows the “seas” on the moon to give you an orientation to base your “flip” on - please look at the “binocular” images not the “flipped” images. The address is:
http://nzphoto.tripod.com/astro/moon2.htm
Hope you find this useful. BTW please continue your work on CSSkin - I love it!
Regards Charles
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[i]Originally posted by Fl?gger[/i]
Yeah, that's a nice demo, especially for this particular task, which brings me to the point you stated a bit earlier; we ARE both right, since mirroring in both axis is the equivalent of rotating 180 degrees, and that's what we wanted in the first place...Think that wraps it up - for now anyways?
Update:
I implemented this in my new skin, so yeah, it was possible:
http://www.singerscreations.com/Forum/t … IC_ID=1200[b]2b || !2b[/b]
Hi Charles,
I looked at it, and I’m still not sure - right now it flips on 2 axis, which is equivalent to the 180deg rotation you initially wanted?!?
By looking at the pictures that look right to you, how would you like the moon flipped? or should I make the feature like this:
Moon flipping:
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|_| Left-right |_| Up-down
So you can get the exact combination you’d like? :razz:
I do, however, still believe the feature is implemented as you requested…
Hi Fl?gger…
Thnx for your reply. The best way to respond is to compare your “flipped” icons in your CSSplendid skin to what I actually see when I walk outside at night, and I’d like to do that so that I don’t give you inaccurate information. However, it is currently very overcast here and I cannot see the moon. I hope that this will clear over the next day or two and I will post again then. I think that when we’re sorting this out, if we refer to the dark “seas” on the moon will give a clearer picture of what I see. I can tell you that the orientation of the moon is correct (it looks like a ‘D’) but I can’t tell if the “seas” are to the north (as the icons currently show) or to the south. I’ll definitely let you know.
I don’t think the left-right/up-down thing will be helpful.
Thnx for taking so much care on this issue! Really appreciate your commitment to this “southern view” of the moon!! [:)]
Regards
Charles
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[i]Originally posted by Fl?gger[/i]
Hi Charles,I looked at it, and I’m still not sure - right now it flips on 2 axis, which is equivalent to the 180deg rotation you initially wanted?!?
By looking at the pictures that look right to you, how would you like the moon flipped? or should I make the feature like this:
Moon flipping: _ _ |_| Left-right |_| Up-downSo you can get the exact combination you’d like? [:p]I do, however, still believe the feature is implemented as you requested…
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Hehe, well that way of handling the feature was mostly just kinda joking :razz: but it sounds real cool just that you’d actually go and take a look - I’m just a guy far away in Denmark, trying to please as many as possible, and let everyone get just what they’d like… And it’s more than kewl to actually get feedback and to be able to make it act ‘real’.
Furthermore I wouldn’t be able to go out and see the moon from your point of view 
And hey, if you get any other ideas, just let me know, I’ll try to put it in…
Hi again Fl?gger… sorry for the many delays in responding. The weather here in Brisbane, Australia has been very overcast due to a tropical cyclone to the north over the last week. Now the moon is almost at New so cannot give you any info at present. Will wait until the first quarter and send you some mail with my observations then. Thnx for taking the time to get this issue sorted out… much appreciated!
Charles [:D]
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[i]Originally posted by Fl?gger[/i]
Hehe, well that way of handling the feature was mostly just kinda joking [:p] but it sounds real cool just that you'd actually go and take a look - I'm just a guy far away in Denmark, trying to please as many as possible, and let everyone get just what they'd like... And it's more than kewl to actually get feedback and to be able to make it act 'real'.Furthermore I wouldn’t be able to go out and see the moon from your point of view [8D]
And hey, if you get any other ideas, just let me know, I’ll try to put it in…
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